But there’s just not enough publicly known data to to do more than speculate, is there? RE: Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 14 Jeff Ostroff (Electrical) 14 Oct 21 00:51 Maybe this is not a good way to use this forum. Could these banging sounds have been the deck continuing to sag until finally a delaminated ceiling section fell into the garage at 1:10 AM? This was just five or so minutes before the deck finally punched through and collapsed, enough time for the Vazquezes to park, walk to the elevator vestibule, hear loud cracking sounds, and get into the elevator.Īll speculative, of course. I keep wishing some investigator would talk to survivors and see if anyone heard the banging sounds, which increased in intensity over time, earlier than 11 PM. Could there have been enough force to have started one column, which happened also to have been having an anchor installed in it, to buckle and wake up the late Ms. To speculate, I can imagine the deck sagging increasingly for a day or even longer, pulling at three facade columns in the x11 stack. The catenary of incipient sag in the deck is to me a credible large force not obvious to the casual eye. RE: Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 14 SFCharlie (Computer) I can add a column for Why if anyone has any explanations they’d like me to add. So here’s a spreadsheet version of all this text. >Edit: charlieSF favors PPTs and I favor spreadsheets. We know that Cassie Stratton in 410 told her husband that the pool deck had collapsed when she spoke to him in the moments before the building collapsed at 1:22 AM. They made their way over to the street and videoed the debris within the garage viewed down the garage ramp at 1:18 AM. We know that Adriana Sarmiento and Roberto Castillero were in the pool area at the Bluegreen Resort, and heard the deck collapse at about 1:15 AM. Neither of them reported having looked past the parking deck at that time. We know that the only witnesses (Sarah Nir and Shamoka Furman) who saw the deck collapse at about 1:15 AM saw it from the lobby, so they were looking at the parking deck near the lobby. However, we don’t know what space they parked in or what path they walked to the elevator. That’s not to say that a piece of ceiling couldn’t have collapsed in an area that they didn’t look toward. The Vazquezes did not state that they saw any debris in the garage before they got on the elevator. They were actually in the elevator when the deck collapsed. We know that Nico Vazquez and his wife Gimena Accardi were in the garage elevator vestibule just before the deck fell at about 1:15 AM, and they heard odd loud cracking sounds a few seconds before they got on the elevator. We don’t know what fell or where it fell. We know that something fell loudly at 1:10 AM, and was heard from 111 and the lobby. We don’t know if these sounds were heard elsewhere, or if they started earlier. We know from the banging sounds heard in 111 from 11 PM on that something was already changing in the deck or building. We know that Elena Blasser in 1211 was awakened by unusual loud cracking sounds the previous morning, sometime between 3 and 4 AM. We know from Jinal’s structural analysis where the weakest part of the deck structure was.
But, to review, no, you cannot tell a deck collapse sequence from witness statements. We have already talked about this in past threads, so I see no value in rehashing it. Maybe we can talk about if we can tell what fell first the valet parking or the planter from the witness statements? Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 13Į Forum Policies RE: Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 14 Jeff Ostroff (Electrical) 13 Oct 21 02:00 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 12 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 11 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 10 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 09 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 08
Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 07 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 06 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 05 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 04 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 03 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse, Part 02 Miami Beach, Champlain Towers South apartment building collapse Best to read the other threads first to avoid rehashing things already discussed. A continuation of our discussion of this failure.
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